I am a single, divorced man of 64 with 4 children, and I should know better.

My name is Michael

I live in Auckland New Zealand. After separating from my partner in 2003, I started using the internet to look for a partner.

I looked a lot at Russian women, because they seem to be just that extra dimension more beautiful, and kept that beauty for much later in life. They also seem to be more determined to be a very good wife and mother… and offer to love their man for all time. They also profess to hold very strong Christian beliefs, and honesty and their faithfulness seem to be paramount.

I was also aware that there were 13 million more women than men in Russia, and I read many stories in profiles suggesting that Russian men did not make good husbands for several reasons.

I quickly became aware of the activities of scammers, and also of the existence of the ″Black List″. I corresponded with many scammers, and was intrigued to see their ′modus operandi′, and their occasional ′trip ups′. I also found another guy in the UK who had corresponded with the same women that I had communicated with. It was amusing to compare the letters from these women, especially when the letters to each of us was identical but with changed names. Sometimes these women would overlook to change a name in the body text, and it was amusing to find a ′Dave″, for example, in my letters addressed to me as ′Michael′

Then I discovered Natalia in Kazakhstan. This lady has turned out to be so masterful that with all my wisdom, and experience at writing to Russian women, I was still taken in.

We have corresponded for about 20 months… much of that time on msn messenger, where she led me on to this form of communication, and also the use of a webcam.

Therefore we did seem to overcome the distance, and non physical nature of the internet, and many times we spent hours together on the msn site. I was completely captivated by her, and it seemed that she was completely in love with me. We even argued! The arguments were sometimes quite passionate, and one argument lasted for five and a half hours! Much of that was without webcam, and when Natalia finally came on camera to show me her face, her eyes were swollen, tears were running down her face, and her mouth was open wide in a scream of anguish.

I am aware that Ust Kamenogorsk is an unhealthy place to live, and that there is a Uranium factory within the city. Natalia had to leap up and close the windows once, when I was talking to her, following a radio warning not to go outside.

Natalia, started asking me for money. Her passport was allegedly taken from her for not paying her internet bills at the cyber café.

She told me she needed her passport to get a new job, because her boss was sexually harassing her. Then her son was involved in a school chemistry lesson accident, and he had to go to hospital. Natalia told me that 14 children had died. He survived, but broke his arm in hospital.

Natalia asked me to pay to help her with living expenses. Then she asked me to buy her a cell phone and a computer for her new job. I offered to send her a free cell phone from by my son who worked in the industry at the time. She flew into a rage and told me that she had paid $100 to hold the new phone for her for one day and it was not recoverable. So I paid.

Then her daughter caught Meningitis, and ′nearly died′.

We seemed to have a very caring relationship outside these demands for money, which always had to be sent “Western Union” within 24 hours. I met her kids online, and her friends and her mother. I became very involved, and I believed that I was very much part of her life… and that she was a part of mine.

Then once I was not able to send the money within 24 hours, and things dissolved into a ″shouting″ match… online. I was made to feel very bad about it…and finally she stopped all communication with me, being ″deeply offended″ at my ″treatment″ of her.

She told me that another Michael, from the USA had proposed to her, and that she was going to marry him 3 months later. We ″separated␚ for a period of about 3 months, and then she came back to me as ‘a friend’.

I was sent pictures of her with ‘Michael’ from the USA. Then I learned that she did not marry him, and after a month, he had returned to the USA.

So for a while we communicated as friends. Then she told me that she had just learned that she had cancer of the stomach, and that it was ′fatal′.

Of course I was devastated, and started to send more money for treatment. I sent her medicine as well which she showed me ′on cam′ when she received it.

She seemed to get better, and we ″fell in love″ again.

It was my positive support, and love, (and money) that kept her alive, she said. She had 2 spells in hospital in Almati, and her friends would contact me and plead with me to send her money urgently. I also ended up sending money to her friend at the same time, as she had had difficulty keeping up the support to Natalia and visiting Natalia in Almati.

This is already a long story, but it has served a purpose if this story has exposed a VERY competent liar, and a VERY gullible fool. But of course I loved her desperately, and whatever the cost, I wanted to continue to keep in contact. It was finally when I added up the lies that I had caught her out on, and simple mistakes that she had made, that I saw what was happening clearly.

Of course I had often suspected, but never wanted to believe it!. There was for example that she was smoking when she was online about six months ago, although admitting that her doctor had told her she couldn’t smoke.

She told me that she had just started smoking, but I asked her friend, and her friend told me that she had been smoking since she was in her early twenties, she is now 36.

It was an elementary slip up, and she told me she was giving up shortly. Of course, she only needed to concoct an argument between us, and out would come the cigarettes again.

I have to say that this lady is a genius with the use of the power of GUILT. And I suspect that the very best scammers use guilt to the level of an art form as Natalia does.

Natalia, will also stoop to hold her children up as bearing the suffering, whenever things did not go the way Natalia wanted it. This was her way as well - of using guilt to get her way. I think this form of coercion is despicable. And she is always using God as a judge of all other's, except her own behaviour.

I have spoken to Natalia today, and she wants me to send more money urgently. She has no idea at all that I am doing this, and this is good, because she is totally unsuspecting, and would never believe that I could report her. Therefore it is vital that Natalia is caught and put out of action because this sort of treatment of another human being is totally unjustified by any standards, and she is only putting her own people, and her country, to shame.

To date I have sent US $5,260, which is NZ $8,635.34 New Zealand dollars, so I guess... by reading others experiences here, I am one of the bigger victims, and I feel particularly stupid about it.

I am not wealthy, in fact I believe that I have a lot less money than Natalia herself has.

In all pictures I have seen of her apartment, her furniture, equipment and the clothes that she wears, everything looks very expensive indeed.

She owns her apartment, and also a ″holiday residence″, and has enough property to consider setting up an Ostridge farm.

I suspect that much of her money was gained by scamming men.
Michael
Payments made to Natalia.

05.11.04 NZ$197.90 US$120 W1183040 67285
06.30.04 NZ$544.30 US$300 W1183010 29522
02.28.05 NZ$103.26 US$50 W1157020 13461
03.14.05 NZ$396.30 US$250 W1157050 21279
03.31.05 NZ$490.86 US$300 S1157000 30658
03.31.05 NZ$245.43 US$150 S1157050 30785
04.11.05 NZ$336.07 US$200 S1303000 32456
04.22.05 NZ$479.21 US$300 W8119010 28719
04.26.05 NZ$197.93 US$120 W1157020 44148
05.10.05 NZ$411.69 US$250 S8119000 18792
05.17.05 NZ$339.86 US$200 W1157050 56309
06.14.05 NZ$407.34 US$250 W1157010 1532
06.22.05 NZ$936.34 US$600 W1157050 5857
07.12.05 NZ$985.25 US$600 W1183010 65687
07.22.05 NZ$417.81 US$250 W1183050 2618
09.16.05 NZ$950.14 US$600 W1183050 42310
09.28.05 NZ$420.79 US$250 W1073050 53584
10.07.05 NZ$571.13 US$350 S1189000 19398
10.25.05 NZ$203.73 US$120 W8119010 24594
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NZ$8,635.34 US$5,260.00

I have all these Western Union documents.

My lovely friend!!! I miss you very much!!! If you only knew... As I do not have not enough you now!!! I constantly ask the god about the help for you and all your family!!! You the fine person and the best friend... Which to me was sent by the GOD!!! My hope to see you soon gives me many forces and confidence in a victory!!! Please to take care!!! Thanks for your big care of me.... It so is pleasant for me and I cannot think of you without tear.... You always in my ideas and always in my heart!!!
p.s. (I am glad... That you read the Kama Sutra) and I am very glad... That you have not opened there that that new to yourselves.... hehehe.... I love you very much!!!! With the big hope and the best wishes for you my best in this world the person!!!!!!

Good morning my lovely friend!!! I do not want to awake you and I go to sleep as... I shall speak свами in the morning.... I thought of you all the day long.... Knitted a jumper and all my ideas were with you.... I miss you very much my angel!!! Have good to put and much positive emotion!!! It is a lot of sun and the blue sky above your head!!! Be the good boy and not strongly be fond of lady... To take care.... I shall soon with you!!! Your true friend! Love!!!

My lovely Michael!!! I love you very gently and I am afraid to damage(injure) it.... And our last conversation is not given me with good emotion... We speak about much and there is nothing... I am really very tired from the Internet and my illness have exhausted me strongly!
I want to be happy with you always.... We much have gone through here still more many difficulties.... Understand me.... It is very difficult for me....
I am very much upset now from for your illness... Please to take care and do not sit at a computer!!! To protect your eyes!!! I shall wait all the day long.... What to speak with you!!! I have hope... That soon we at last shall together my lovely friend!!! Have good day and please take care rest!!!
Your love! Natalia

My lovely Michael!!! I am very glad to read your letters today... The belief and love there is so much!!!
My lovely... All problems will pass by us and we necessarily meet soon!!!
I constantly think of you and I dream about our future life really much...
Thanks about your care is relative my treatment!!! It is very touching for me.... I shall try to not bring you and my health will be better soon... I know it... I am sure... That the God will not allow me to leave(abandon) you during this life.... We should be together for ever!!!
It is very a pity... That you now not in msn.... I very much wanted to speak with you... We speak later today at night... Now I should go in hospital and take some consultation...
About the big love to you! Natalia

My lovely friend!!! Thanks for your letters and so much good words to me!!! I love you very much and very much I miss you here!!!
My health is very bad these days and I move on an apartment and other time in bed not much... Excuse me... But I cannot be today with you... Very big weariness and absolutely is not present forces...
I shall try to come back faster to you...
Have good day and be the good boy!!! I love you all heart and is constant you in my ideas!!! I constantly ask the God about the help to you!!! We should be strong!!!
Thanks for your fine photo.... I like to see it!!!
The big love and tenderness to you!!! Natalia

My lovely friend!!! Thanks for your letter!!! I so like to read your letter in the morning!!!
Yes my lovely we so far apart.... But we children the God and it(he) does(makes) care of us and if it is the plan the God... To be to us together... That we necessarily shall together and we do not leave once more!!!
I understand you very much and I feel you very well!!! I understand... That you very much experience for me and you really love me and allow me the big hope for my life!!! I am very happy to have you my lovely friend!!! I always thank the God for it!!! I shall always love you my lovely and my unique!!! You very much dier the friend for me!!!
I not so well today and several minutes ago visited me Irina... She(it) is very happy from her(it) kiwi as... But I saw excitement in its(her) eyes... Because before them as many problems for a meeting.... I understand all... And I cannot the help for it(her) as that... It is a life and she(it) and Andrev their love and the God as should trust...
Now I want to speak not much with you... If you at home now... If is not present... That I shall be here later today!!!
The big love to you my lovely!!! Your Natalia

My lovely friend!!! I miss you very much!!!
I read your letter some times!!! The love and care there is so much.... You not можите to imagine... As these words the help for me now.... I want to live... I want to be happy with you!!!!!!!!! My lovely... My loved kiwi!!!
I do not want to disturb your dream now... You had difficult day and I go to sleep as... We speak with you in the morning!!!!
I ask the God now... What you were well always and I ask the God about happiness for us and our eternal love!!!!!!!!!!!!
Always your small Natalia!!! Which has very big love in its heart!!!! Many times I kiss you.... It is interesting to see you sleepy in a bed.... hehehehe

My lovely friend I need to continue urgently treatment and for that that I could buy a medicine from Novosibirsk to me are necessary money now.... It always painfully to ask you about about the help and I very much suffer it... But I do not have other output(exit) now... My sister can send me 400 dollars now... Because she does not work and is on physical inability as and every month she sends me of money for treatment... But it to me does not suffice me 600 dollars more and then I can buy a medicine quickly are necessary and to continue treatment. My lovely angel you can the help for me now?
The big love and hope!!!
Natalia

My love! I am very glad to know, that you have got home!!! I love you very much and you always in my heart and everywhere... Where I go I constantly I think of you my angel!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Michael, I still very weak... And my doctor has informed me.... That now I shall demand treatment in 6-8 months!!! I should receive only vitamins now and observe a diet.
I saw today my analysis and it really better than before!!! I am very glad to this and you my angel give me the big help and I feel your care and love constantly!
I have your hair with me always... And I like to touch your hair... It is given me with the big communication{connection} with you!!!! I am very happy today!
Thank for money! Christina has already received it and has sent me on my account in Almaty.... I shall receive it soon.
Michael, excuse, I do not have not enough this money and I need 350 dollars more, I understand my lovely, that it is very difficult to receive this money for me... But I in difficult position now...
I send you a copy of the letter from your friend Tobias once again and I hope you will receive it now...
I should will come back in hospital now my lovely.... My doctor demands me for consultation.
I love you very much!!!!
To take care!
God bless you!!!!!!!
Love for ever!!!
Natalia

My love!!!
I so am glad to receive your letters... It is given really to me with many energy and I feel you beside!!!
I can have my happiness only with you and it on always!!!!!!!!!!!
I miss you very much and constantly I think of you and I speak with you... Looking on your photo and all workers hospital send the regards to you and the best wishes!br> My doctor has told to me... That the love is of great importance for me and it is the help for me from you and from the God and I know it!!!!!!!!!!
My unique Michael!!! I love you very much!!!!!!!!
My treatment comes to an end tomorrow.... And if you could send me money tomorrow... That I shall better leave hospital... What to not pay superfluous money... Please try to send me it tomorrow... Otherwise... I should payment still superfluous 80 dollars for the days off..
I can remain before arrival Alesya at its friend Elena and wait a meeting with Richard... What to transfer a parcel{sending} for you my love and then I go home at once... Very much I miss without children and mum....
I love you very much!!!!!!!! You know it???]
My angel..... I dream about a meeting with you soon....
To take care! God bless you!
Love for ever!!!!!!!!!
Your Natalia

Thank for your care!!!
You can send me 500 dollars on the ticket to Dubai???
I shall be very grateful to you for your help!!!

Michael.... I do not understand you... Why you malicious??? Because I wish to be with you??? Because I examine{consider} you seriously... Therefore you malicious???
I understand... You have no money.... What for you promised me this travel to New Zealand??? For what I spent many money.... What to call in Moscow???
I only wished to be faster with you and I was very happy all these days.... Because I knew... That absolutely soon I shall with you....
And you have very much changed to me and it happened after your meeting with Richerd.... I has written to it{him} the letter today and his{its} intrigue for his{its} life asked to leave all!!! Probably it{he} has overlooked.... How laughed at you??? And now it{he} searches for your understanding??? It is nonsense..... And you are similar Richerd now my friend..... You offend me and humiliate me and I cannot understand.... That I have made not correctly..... That that I dream to be with you in real life?
You probably do not understand all benefit my trip to Moscow???
I understand your reaction to all.... It is your cowardice.... You are not ready to change in your life and I once again ask you.... To remain fair with me!
I am very grateful to you for your help about my illness and now you kill me.... Your behaviour is awful to me..... You cannot understand my love.... How strongly you gave me a trauma now??????????????
You the coward...... And consequently.... Now you do not wish to continue!
Anyhow.... I go in Moscow and I shall ask the God about the help for you!!!! I shall ask the God... To give you common sense!!!
And please respect me.... To not dare to write to me such the letter!!!
I always understood you and respected.... You allow yourselves... The insult for me is a lot of!!!
Can not be hidden from me in msn.... I do not go more to speak with you.... You cause me many{too many} pain!!!
Have own opinion please and do not resemble on Richerd.... because it is valid a monster!
Michael.... You constantly give me hope and to kill it.... To kill my love and my hope fortunately it is very fast.... Why you so it is severe to me?????????????????????????
What for to give hope and to select it???
I cannot write to you more.... I cannot a stop from tear.... You have ceased to understand me and it humiliates me!!!
To take care!
God bless you!
Love for ever?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I know one... If the man has respect and love for the woman.... It{he} does not release{let off}....
It{he} tries to keep it on all life..... You constantly refuse me...
I for you a thing or an empty place???
How you can constantly speak me about love and have constantly betraid me???
I do not search rich the man.... I search my soul mate and I knew... That it you.... Now I doubt..... You have refused me very quickly and it is very hurt for me!
I have my pride and I am tired to forgive you all insult!
Please remember.... I have asked you several days ago.... WHETHER I CAN SEND my QUESTIONNAIRE FOR RECEPTION the VISA IN NEW ZEALAND? And YOU HAVE TOLD to me YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
I started action.... And you began to be hidden from me... Because have understood.... I am adjusted seriously!!!
So why now.... You write to me here any muck??? And of what you accuse me constantly?
I have not well enough explained to you.... That I go in Moscow and the best... To begin it payment now and then through one and a half... Two month.... We together!
Michael.... Why you have not stopped me before and have not told to me to wait??? It was so difficultly for you??? And now... When I have some days in Moscow and my director payment for me tickets and residing.... You do not make effort.... What the help for you and for me??? And you reproach me.... In that.... What I bad and I do not understand you??? I understand you perfectly.... It you have ceased to understand me!
Michael... I know one.... If you wished... That I would be with you.... You have borrowed{lent} this money both sent me and had no scandal and these accusation to me!!!
YOU understand now..... That I go too quickly and confidently and you are afraid....
The god to you the judge....
Please do not write to me more your insulting letters.... I am afraid to have my illness so quickly... The ambassador treatment.... Have respect!!!
Natalia

You scoff over me??? You constantly do{make} it... Because know... That I have no money and you like to humiliate me!!! Borrow{Lend} and send me money for it week!!!

I shall not leave you my lovely... I promise you it... I always shall be with you... A beam of the sun... A rainbow... Any flower  in a garden... I shall be a wind... Which caresss you and I shall be a rain and you will hear my voice and my love will be eternal for you!!! I promise it!!!
I love you very gently and always there will be your soul mate!
To take care!!!
Know my lovely and I am afraid to lose you as also I do not wish to divide(share) you with whom that still.... And I wish to be with you in the real world....
I want to tell to you... I love you very much!!! And if has called me today for a meeting to China... That I would go at once not being late and for one minute!!! I really dream to meet you!!! I want to see you and to feel your embrace and a kiss!!! I miss you very much and you know it and feel it!!!You always in my ideas and in my heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love... Love... Love
Good night to you and sweet dreams!!! My love always with you!!! 
To take care!!! My favourite boy!!! Forever your Natalia

What with you to be fast for ever!!!For ever your Natalia.

All my ideas only about you...
I very much love you!!! My unique...
You it is constant in my ideas and in my heart!!!
I love you very much and I wait our conversation with impatience
now!!!I shall search for you later... Have fine day my love!!!
Your love for ever!

Where you my friend?I miss you very much!!!I do not see you on msn and I do not receive the letter from you....I worry about you very much!!!Quiet to you night and sweet dreams!Love for ever!

I miss you very much and you is constant in my opinion....
I love you very much!!! My lovely.... I know that you sleep still... But I so am happy...  To know... That you are at me!!!I love you very much and about  each new day my love grows more and more and more!!! All my  familiar see my happiness and my desire to live now!!! And you  gave all this to me!!! I very much want to do{make} you the  happiest the man... You deserve it very much!!!Have good  dream and I shall come to you!!!!I shall search for you later or  at 15-30 my time!!! Good luck to you in all!!!Take care!!! God  bless you my love!!!
Love for ever.

The man about which it is possible to dream!!! Very wise and
fair, has the big humour, love and compassion to close people!!!
Very strong and the big person, Has set talent and gift from the
God!!! I am proud to have such friend in my life!!!
You the best the man for me!!! I shall always love you and always
to give you my love!!! I am not afraid to speak now it and I
speak it for the God as!! I shall belong only to you for ever!!!
You know... I thought of us much.... I was afraid... But now I
absolutely know... That I love you and I cannot live without you.........
I LOVE YOU MY MIKE!!!
My lovely... Trust the god and all this will be resolved....
You dreamed me today at night.... And when I have woken up...
That I cried and still remembered your embraces
I need you with me all the time! (})
At us to turn out beautiful children...;)
Sincerely??? If it is fair... That I wish one little girl from
you... I wish... That she(it) would be the blonde about green eyes
So at us the kid and beautiful will turn out very clever
If we shall well and are happy together... That the God will give
us it do not doubt!!! All my dreams are always executed!!! The
god knows... That I sincerely wish it and allows me!!!
i love you my bad boy!!! YOU LOVE ME?;)
When I knit it... That I constantly think of you
I want to meet you... What to strangle at a meeting!!!
I am grateful to you for your help and your understanding of me!
Respect and understanding... Here that love... Which between us....
I am very glad... That we understand each other.... And I we
shall be very happy together... If we trust the GOD!!! The god
takes all care of us and gives us the big happiness!!!
I LOVE YOU MY KIWI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I go with you on any planet and in any country

Hello Michael,

Thank you for your message and for all these letters. Yes, it is a rare type of scammer - medical scam.It is great that you opened your eyes to the fact that you were used by that woman.

Best regards,
Irina

Hello, I wish that you take Natalia Maznitsyna′s name off your list because she died yesterday......
Please do it....Michael

Hello Michael,

How did you learn about this? Can you send us her notification about death and the copy of her passport.

Thank you,
Irina

Hello Michael. I with grief inform you, that today in 3-15 morning, my mum has died. It is an awful shock for all us and I have considered necessary, to inform it to you. I only have come back from a mortuary and my mum there on a table, it such small and fragile, as though the child, and on its person a smile as it sleeps saw. Still yesterday we together laughed and planned our life and spoke about you, mum has received the letter from you and had special pleasure. Why Michael it has occured? I ask this question for the God why my mum has left from us? It is not correct, right now, all of us so we require it. It was such happy because work again had and it could do that that for people. It is such bitter unexpectedness. I cannot still trust in it. I know Michael, mum loved you very much, and all of us dreamed of happiness for you and mum. You know Michael, is possible you have not absolutely understood my mum, it very much the strong personality and I cannot tell words was,  it always remains for me my idol. It the most gentle and it the most understanding mum on light and now, it has left from us. Why?
Mum had always dream, to have the big house on coast the sea or lake and probably now it on a way to this white house to an empire the God. We should prays for it and to ask for it such life there and still to me terribly, probably there only darkness and emptiness and it there will be lonely without us.
Now I should will come back in a mortuary and to receive the certificate on death and me it is terrible  Tomorrow I should carry by plane mum to Ust Kamenogorsk what to bury there on a cemetery, near to its daddy. You know Michael, mum spoke me some times, what when it dies, we should bury it in a wedding white dress and a veil and I do not know, I should execute it? Mum two times married and not when had no a wedding dress and a veil from for its modesty and probably I should do it now for it in first and last time.
Michael you can probably do some help for us, what mum and had good funeral and had rest now. It loved you very much and your photo, always was with it, you always were for it the best and it is very a pity to me, that you were not together.
I have written the letter for my aunt in Germany and probably they have not received it, they today have taken off for Egypt ,  my uncle now in Russia and I do not know how to find it so all efforts will get to us with the  Rodion. Rodion does not speak with me, it cries and cannot trust in it, now it goes with me to a mortuary and this show probably absolutely will upset its nervous system, mum always learned us, we should remain strong and accept any problem adequately and here now I do not know how to accept it to mountain?
Please contact me, I require in your help and your understanding.
Christina

Hello Michael,

Do not send her money. I am 99 percent sure it is just the same scam made by this woman.
Best regards,
Irina

Irina,
Is there any way you can certify to me that Natalia Maznitsyna is still alive?????
Michael

I have corresponded with Natalia for nearly 3 years....... I need to know definitely what has happened.....
Michael

Irina,
I was told by her daughter that Natali died at the oncology center in Almati at 3.15 am 30th October.
Are you able to confirm this????
Michael

Also her daughter goes by the surname of Gervorkian, and it is possible, I suppose, that Natali registered at the hospital as this name Natalia Gervorkian
Michael

Hello Michael,

I can't certify it now with official papers
1. Kazahstan is another country,
2. There is no paper in Russia or other countries of FSU that the person is alive. There are special papers that certify that the person is dead - they are called certification of death but only close relatives can receive it and give it to the lawyer to make arrangements about inheritance.

Why then I am sure that it is scam?
1. All people tend to repeat the strategies that work for them. It is rather problematic to change it (some people can, but it demands a lot of time and effort).
Look at the strategy of this woman. She had always some problems that she expected you to solve (financially). And in this she resorted to the most valuable that a person has - her health and the health of her daughter. (I do not know about other people, but in Russian tradition it is forbidden to resort to it, especially of your children, it is dishonest and manipulating, and it was expected to be punished by God). She resorted to it all the time. But then it stopped working... So she is wondering what to do. Psychologically, she will tend to follow this strategy further, but it does not work. The most obvious answer is to resort to ″her death″.

2. The letter that was sent to you is scammer like. First, the woman was supposed to be 37 y.o. now. So her daughter can be maximum 19 yo. but the letter is written by somebody much more mature, and with good manipulating skills (many psychological steps to make the reader guilty and do what he is told).

3. It is just impossible to be by another name in the clinic (by another surname).
All Russian people have medical certificate and they are given to the surname that is written in the passport and can't be changed. Without this certificate you will not be put to the hospital and given any medical help anywhere. When you go to the doctor you just take it and go with it. You should bring also plus to this certificate your passport and other papers. As you understand, the police need to know who has died and other issues about the person. So it is impossible just to go to the clinic by another surname (not even by the surname of your husband. If you has got married and want to change the surname, then you go to the official places and do lots of paper for this, and only after that you are given a new passport, a new medical certificate and then you can go to the hospital by a new surname).

4. As far as I remember from your letter about her, she told that she has cancer of stomach. With this cancer people here are not taken to the hospital (they are taken but usually for several courses of special treatment, and then they are sent home). My grandmother died from this cancer. She died at home. In the clinic they prefer not to show to other patients these deaths and thus people die at home.

5. Another lie is a lie about German aunt. When people go now to rest, they take their mobiles and you can always at least sms them. I have not met the cases when no means are possible to reach people.

6. If you want, you can travel there, and meet this woman and make her arrested. The last year about 200 people here were arrested for this. It just needs someone who suffered from these scammers to come to Russia and see the procedure to take place.

Best regards,
Irina

Hi Irina,

Firstly, I thank you most sincerely for the time and thought you have given to my situation. I can see your point of view, and I am intelligent enough to consider everything. Of course this may have been a scam all along, but I have been deeply involved emotionally and I must now put it all to rest. Maybe I will never know, but it would be so much easier if I knew one way or the other, because without knowing I will always have a big question mark in my heart.
I am waiting on a request for money from Christina, as hinted in her letter, to help with burial. It will be interesting to see how she handles this.
Quite frankly, I would be happier if it was all a scam, if I was to learn that Natalia is still alive, even married to another man.
I am feeling ready to marry again soon, but at my age I would expect it to be permanent.
Your comments about Christina's command of English rings true with me, because I have had messages from Christina before, and I noticed that her command of English was not up to the level of her mother's English skills.
Irina, I became aware of scammers before I met Natalia, and for a while I talked to many Russian women, to see if I could detect the scammers. It became very easy to sort them out, and I became aware that perhaps only 10% were genuine, 90% were/are scammers, maybe even more than 90%.
I have seen the ′form′ letters from a number of girls using similar passages, and occasionally letters that had another man′s name they had missed changing out of their form letter. One man in England sent me an email to ask if I was chatting to a particular girl in the Ukraine. I was and I asked him to send me one of her letters. It was identical to a letter she had sent me with his name substituted.
Also these girls ′fall in love′ within the first few letters... sometimes in the first week, they often ask question which are already answered in my profile, showing me that they have not read the profile at all.
And of course soon comes the request for Visa, and air tickets, to come to me as soon as possible. Logically and realistically this would be almost impossible as it would be very difficult indeed for any woman to leave her culture, country, friends, and relatives at a few weeks notice. I know this because I have been involved in International Scholl exchanges, and I know a lot about ′culture shock′.
And of course I know that some scams are run by men.
I think Older men like me could be a very good way to find scammers, as no doubt the scammers are quite right in assuming that single males later in life are 'open season' for taking advantage of.
But these women are utterly heartless.
If Natalia is a scammer, she is extremely different from the ones I have encountered. We had been talking for nearly 3 years, and would have spent at least 200 hours on webcam. Sometimes as long as 5 hours. We even had a bitter argument that lasted for 5 hours, and I thought at the time, that only people who were emotionally involved could bother to argue that long by internet.
She was always alert to everything I said, and included me in everything she did, including seeing her get an injection in her bottom, administered by her daughter who then showed me the needle......... No doubt this could have been ′staged′.
But for me to go this long, and finally believe that she was sincere with me, has been quite remarkable, and would have taken her considerable time and effort to maintain this image. I don't think I am gullible at all, but not infallible.
As you know, I have been in a state of cautious assessment of Natalia throughout this whole time, sometimes wondering about some things... if she was a scammer or not. However scammer or not, I believe we became important to each other.
If she has been scamming me, then of course I will move on and forget all this. I am resilient, and a survivor.
Once again, thanks for your interest in my case.

Michael

Hello Michael,

I understand that she was like a family for you all these three years. You had moments of love, of quarrels, of discussions.
You are wrong when you say that 90 percent of girls are scammers, maybe even more.
I think, it is like a forest. In the forests there are many birds. They are signing, jumping from one branch to another, living their life. A man can go to this forest and walk in the path there. He can put some bread and look at the birds jumping down to eat it, he can take a fife and play a tune, and some birds will come down to listen to it. He can make a bird handy, and take it home. But it is a work. And there are crows in this forest. They are not many, but when a man goes to the forest, if he does not know that he needs to wear a hat, they fly to him and try to pull out some hair from his head. These crows are active, and flow back and forth; they want the man's hair. It seems after some time that only crows live in this forest. They attack everyone who is without a hat. But they are maybe 2 percent of less of the birds living in the forest.

Let′s wait for a new letter from ″daughter″ with the request for money. After that you should request a notification about Natalia’s death. Please, keep in touch with me.

Best regards,
Irina

I like your analogy!!! Are you interested in details about the 24 yr old lady I have discovered as a scammer????
Yes I will send you further emails that I get from Christina, as you see she has already asked for monetary help in her last email to me........
Tnx again Irina....
Michael

Hello Michael,

Yes, tell me about that lady that you discovered as a scammer (was it usual visa and ticket scam?)
And yes, it would be interesting to read for more letters from Christina.

Best regards,
Irina

Irina, This is the message I just got from Kristina, What do you think????
Michael

Dear Michael,

Thanks for your answer and all kind words about my mum. Funeral have passed to Ust Kamenogorsk and we have buried mum near to its parents.
There were many relatives and friends and all had a shock from happened. I so grieve and I grieve without mum now and my brother as experiences it is a lot of. We have come back in Almaty now and I should continue my training in university and receive the diploma the surgeon, mum dreamed to see me the surgeon and I should justify trust to me from my mum.
My brother remains with me and will continue studies in Almaty now, I shall try cares of it.
We have moved in other apartment both it not much less and I need to pay for rent less теперь.наш the new address (Almaty, Shalyapin's street the house 34 apartment 8)
Your letter has not left me without tears now, yes, mum remains always in our memory as the individual person, it had many charm and the help for everyone could always.
Know Michael, it so sadly to see funeral own mum and I still I can not верить.что it with us any more. I understand all that it has left from us because it is necessary now for the god and that it is in an empire the god now and we should keep our memory and the nobility, that mum always remains with us in our soul.
It loved you very much and I could not understand, how it is possible to love the man and to not have a meeting and I mum saw the happy person when it spoke with you or received the letter from you or a card, its person always святилось pleasure. Michael I can send you some things from mum and it had a medallion with your photo and I can send it for you now and I shall do it at the first an opportunity. You asked me to put your hair in a coffin mum, but I only read your letter and certainly have not had time to do it, I have put your photo with mum. You have informed me that can help to us and I really require it now. For funeral we spent about 7000 dollars and the part from this was sent by our aunt from Germany and some relatives and still I have a duty now and it nearby
And I should do 2000 dollars payment for study and an apartment and if you have an opportunity can send me some money and I shall not refuse from any sum and I shall be very grateful to you for it. Probably you wish to arrive once to Kazakhstan and to see that place where mum now is based and to see our city and all friends mum then I should send you the invitation for arrival in Kazakhstan and I require in a copy your passport for this purpose. Inform me about your desire and certainly I shall be very glad to see you here. Please do not forget mum because you always will remain love for it.
The best wishes for you.
Kristina

Hello Michael,

As I said it is just the next series of scam.
You do not want to send money to your bride, then she died in eternal love to you and her children ask you for help!!! Do you want to sit on the hook of this woman further?
The letter is again full of lies.
1. They just could not move for this time to another apartment. Here it is impossible.
Here (and in Kazahstan and other countries of FSU) there is another system. Each family has an apartment. The family owns it and pays on average about 35 usd a month (for 3 roomed apartment) for heating, water, telephone, for the keeping of the stairs and so on. We are all ″tied up″ to these apartments. The address of this apartment is written in our passport. And it is rather long process to change it. Some people of course can rent an apartment. They have this ″tied up″ apartment but either they don’t like to live with their parents, or they just do not like the apartment and they have a lot of money to afford renting another apartment.
If the person does not have this ″tied up″ apartment then he is called a person without definite place of living, and it is really a problem - the person can't work, can't study, can't get medical help. He is just nobody.
This woman obviously had her own apartment (this ″tied up″ apartment) so her children  continue to live there.
So everything about moving to a new apartment is a lie (she just couldn't move because it is impossible for a week or two; it is a long process. Secondly, it would be better for them to stay in their ″tied up″ apartment than to rent a new (the old apartment would cost 30-35 usd a month, the new 400-500 usd a month). Thirdly, when students study out of their native town they are given a place in the dorm, which as you understand is very cheap.

2. Second big lie. I had funerals in my life also. They say that they spent 7000 usd for funerals (ok, they wanted lavish, very lavish funeral, let it be, although nobody here I know does it), but then they should have a lot of relatives and friends there (plenty of them). In such a situation everybody gives money, especially if the mom of the family died. The money from the relatives and friends should by far cover all expenses (lets say, for example, that they had 200 relatives and friends - otherwise I can't imagine where they spend all the money, only if they made a big big statue there). Each gave 100 usd, then it is 20 000 usd, and I doubt, that ″her aunt″ from Germany knowing the expenses and that her sister left two children sent 100 usd for funerals.
Usually people spend about 1000 usd for funerals.

And of course the letter as usual for scammers is finished by something to make your believe - come to see where mom lies and so on. They just want you to send them money now. They doubt you will really come there (you did not come during all three years while having talked with mom, so what is the reason to come now.).
I am sure it is just a continuation of scam by that woman.

Best regards,
Irina